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Aspire to Inspire with your social media as a professional organizer

145 | “Five Mile Famous”: Social Media for Professional Organizers

Mar 7

Last episode, we talked about “what not to do” and today we are telling you what you should be doing to implement the “proof of life” strategy on social media. If you haven’t heard part 1 of my convo with Jen Mary, head back and take a listen before today’s epsiode (or click here!)

Jen is the founder of Everyday Style, and she is a super savvy businesswoman who has run an in-person business similar to professional organizing, and a digital business, so she’s seen it all. She is giving us awesome tips on what TO do with your social media, including becoming “Five Mile Famous.” 

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You’re listening to the Pro Organizer Studio podcast with Melissa Klug and Jen Kilbourne Obermeier. Thank you so much for joining in our mission is to broaden the horizons of savvy business women in the organizing industry by instilling confidence and inspiring authenticity. You’ll gain new insight into strategies designed specifically for professional organizers.

So now let’s get started.

[00:00:32] Melissa Klug: Hey, pro organizers. It’s your podcast co-host, Melissa, and as I promised, I told you I would make you wait very long for the second part of my conversation with Jen Mary of Everyday Style. We started the other day talking about what I call the proof of life concept of how to approach social media for professional organizing.

And it’s not about being consumed by social media and following all the trends and trying to chase the algorithm. It’s just about showing up, showing who you are and being social what we want you to do is use your social media in the most effective and efficient way possible.

So, Jen and I talked about a few things last time that we prefer that you not do. We’d love for you to take a listen to that episode because it really sets up this one. But today we’re going to be talking about great things to do. So trying to give you some inspiration of what you can do in your social to really, really be connected to your.

Jen has so many great ideas. She has seen it all in terms of social media, and I enjoy talking to her. I am not going to waste another minute at time. Let’s jump right into the second part of my conversation. I hope you guys have a great day.

[00:01:33] Jen Mary: The other thing, so can we talk about things they need to start doing for just one sec? Absolutely. Lean, lean into local, lean into local.

This is what differentiates you from every other influencer. On Instagram is that you are where you are. A carousel post that I encourage my people to do. Where to take your clothes after we did a closet edit. Yes. After I came to your house and we cleaned out your closet, where should you take your things?

And then I had them highlight five places, women’s organizations in their community that accept clothes. And guess what? They follow you back. You build relationships. It’s all of that. I also say snap a picture. Like, oh, picking up my coffee from blah, blah, blah. To start my day of organizing a long day of three clients means I need to be well caffeinated.

And you don’t go to Starbucks anymore. Starbucks isn’t gonna follow you and share your stuff and add you to their stories. And you go to local coffee shops. 

[00:02:29] Melissa Klug: Also, just again, in the just do things like in the moment, it does not have to be planned in advance. So I have a number of times when I am in line at the donation place with a car full 

[00:02:41] Jen Mary: of stuff.

Yes, yes. 

[00:02:42] Melissa Klug: Like a selfie with the giant pile in the back of my car. And then I’m like, oh my gosh, doing another client drop off or whatever. It does not have to be complex. It does not have to be overthought. It can be as simple as, Hey, I wanna give people the idea that someone hired me to clear this amount of stuff out of their house, and by the way, a service I offer is dropping off all of your stuff at donation.

You don’t even have to do it. 

[00:03:05] Jen Mary: And if you’re afraid to be on camera for a real. just film the drop off line, right? Like there are some My best performing reel lately, I was walking through a target parking lot. I put it over the sound of Taylor Swift. This is why we can’t have nice things. Yeah. And it was me in the slush because you know, in Minnesota you can’t have cute twos in the winter.

You just say goodbye. Yeah. And I was talking about how your style has to be practical for the way you really live. So I have just really leaned into sneaker boots and cute like weather boots, not just cute booties that I’m gonna fall on and break an ankle and ruin. And it took me all of five seconds to fill my feet walking through the target parking lot.

My best performing reel of all time was a target clearance rack. 

And it was the Justin Bieber. Immediately. No. Immediately. No. Oh yeah. Which is really cool. You what I need to sounds immediately. No . Yeah. And all it said was the clearance section is a problem, not the solution.

Okay. I mean, there’s so much you can do, [00:04:00] so much you can do. And I find the best stuff is really the off the cuff. Off the cuff. But leaning into local is something that every in-person business owner needs to be doing. Because when anybody in your community, in your area says, oh, my house is such a mess.

Oh, have you talked to Melissa? You need to call Melissa. Yeah. You need to be that go-to person. You know, I think somebody out there has the course called Five Mile Famous. Oh, I’ve never heard of it. Yeah. Your goal. And that’s what I, that’s when I talked to my stylist about your goal should just be five Mile Famous.

I, it’s a little circle around your house. Yes. And get five Mile Famous. That means that you are going to those chamber meetings. You don’t wanna go to, you are building partnerships. I encourage my stylist to build partnerships with photographers. With organizers, with hair people who is a good complimentary adjacent business.

Follow all those people on Instagram and just get five mile famous for a local business that’s gonna do a whole lot more than you’re complicated, overly styled Instagram feed. Yes. 

[00:05:09] Melissa Klug: And I think that there’s a misconception that, cuz Instagram used to be you had to be perfectly curated. You had to have a professional level photo shoot.

That’s not what Instagram is anymore. 

[00:05:20] Jen Mary: No, and 

[00:05:21] Melissa Klug: that’s actually another, that’s actually part of the problem is Instagram is changing all the time. All the time. And therefore you’re constantly on the hamster wheel of what do they want this week? A ten second reel. A one minute reel. Not reels at all. We’re going back to pictures.

Nope. Now we’re on carousels. That, like, that’s part of the thing. But you don’t have to be as buttoned up as you used to have to be.

[00:05:40] Jen Mary: Oh, without a doubt. If I’m not perfect, if I don’t have the right background, if everything’s not a perfect puzzle grid, you know, Ooh, I don’t wanna post this cuz it’s gonna mess up my grid.

 I mean, the things that do the best are the usually the ones that really stand out. But I think there’s an interesting point in that if you are so concerned about what the Instagram algorithm is showing right now, who cares? Yeah. I have always just put out the content that I wanna put out.

Understanding, my static posts aren’t gonna get as much traction as a reel, but then reels tanked. You know, and I talk to business owners all the time are like, who? What’s the best time to post whatever time you want? The time you’re gonna do it, the time you’re gonna do it.

There is not. If you post at 10:00 AM it’s gonna go viral. And if you post at 3:00 PM no one’s gonna see it. That’s just not going to happen. So being so concerned about the algorithm and what it wants to, the point where it paralyzes you from doing anything is really a waste of time. 

[00:06:43] Melissa Klug: I just think in general, remembering that you do not control anything that’s happening on these multi-billion dollar platforms, and the rules are going to change possibly hourly.

Yep. And so just saying, I’m gonna spend the least amount of time I can to show that proper proof of life, authenticity, legitimacy, whatever words you wanna use. I’m gonna do a proper amount of time, but then I’m going to go control the things that I own. Yes. I own my website, I own my Google business profile, I own my email list.

I own those things forever. No one can take those away from me. My past 

[00:07:20] Jen Mary: client lists. Yes. My relationships, yes, my partnerships. 

[00:07:25] Melissa Klug: I told a story about, now I’m getting totally off, but I, I wanna say it. I told a story about my handyman, who’s one of the best people on the planet. He texted me one day just outta the blue and was like, Hey, my schedule kind of cleared up this week.

Like, I, I really don’t have anywhere to go. Do you have any projects that you feel like having me do? And I go, yes, indeed, I do. I hadn’t thought about that. Yeah. In weeks, like I’m sitting here going like, I wish Kevin would get back to me. I hadn’t thought about Kevin, right? Yes. And so Kevin texted me out of the blue.

I had him hired, he was at my house two days later with a full day of projects that otherwise he would’ve been sitting at home. Your past client list might [00:08:00] be the most valuable thing that, 

[00:08:01] Jen Mary: oh. Oh, you know, I don’t know if you even know this, Melissa, but in, at one point in my career, I was the business manager for a hair salon chain.

A weird little, a weird little detour. And one of the things that we talked about all the time for a stylist to build their business, a stylist, the most important thing is pre-booking the next appointment. That is the most important thing, because then as you’re growing, you’re adding, and you’re adding and you’re adding, you know when I was one-on-one styling, I used to send the little reminder cards like, Hey, I’m more fun than the dentist.

 Does your closet need a refresh? But I would also trying to get them to book that mm-hmm. before I ever left. Like, Hey, all right, it’s March. Should we be looking at October to TA to tackle the rest of your wardrobe? Yeah. And maybe, maybe they, not everybody did it, but enough did that. I always was looking ahead to a calendar that had something on it. There social media required, 

[00:08:57] Melissa Klug: One of the things we just want to do, and I think you and I align on this, is we want to take the pressure off that people are putting on themselves. Huge. That this is how I have to do things and I must be spending 17 hours a week working on this.

And one of the saddest posts I ever saw was someone that said, I just spent two hours making a reel. I don’t want you to spend two hours making a reel. I want you to spend like 10 minutes. Like I, I just want you to release the pressure off of yourself. 

[00:09:27] Jen Mary: And doing things that matter.

Do things that matter. Spend that extra two hours. Could you have gone to a networking thing? Could you have, contacted past clients? Could you have written an email, A really good email? I bet you could have, because all of those things. . In our community we talk about RPAs, either revenue producing activities or even just results producing activities.

Mindlessly posting on social is not on my list of 10 of them. Right. I just have 10 things. Like if you’re sitting there and you’re like, I don’t know what to do, I’m stuck. I have 10 things you can do. Yeah. And mindlessly posting on social is not one of ’em. Posting client successes is to me, it post that, post client testimonials.

You should always be getting those, sharing that people wanna know. If you want people to know you’re the expert, let other people tell them, oh my gosh, Melissa changed my life. Yes. That’s something I’d be like, oh, okay. Well maybe she could do the same. . Yep. Do you know 

[00:10:27] Melissa Klug: what I posted one time that actually, this is actually one of the nicest things anyone ever said about me was she said, I’ve done the cost benefit analysis of you versus my therapist and you’re less money and you get better results.

like, okay, that 

[00:10:40] Jen Mary: would be a graphic, right? Your brand color with just big white things. Big white letters. 

[00:10:47] Melissa Klug: You’re exactly right. Post the things people say about you. Yes. Because that is absolutely, it’s not about what you say about yourself, it’s about what other 

[00:10:56] Jen Mary: people say about you. You know? And, and if you have those comments, keep a Google Doc.

Yes. Or a spreadsheet or something. And then also when you’re feeling terrible about yourself, cuz we all know as business owners, I can just come out of the blue like, I’m having a great day. Oh, I suck. No one wants me. You know? Then you can go again, , you can go to your Google doc, you’ll be like, oh no, people do like me.

 Okay. I can keep going. Right. And then that to me is. In my business, we talk about 24 4 Kara Gold. Right? We have a lot of nice comments. I’m like, Hmm, I only want the 24 Kara ones like, I really like your capsule. That’s like 10, Kara. I don’t, we’re not posting post that 24 Kara stuff that’s like, oh, so good all day.

Every I 

[00:11:36] Melissa Klug: finally feel good enough about myself to leave the house. I finally feel like I pictures with my kid, or I finally feel like people can come over to my house and I’m not gonna be embarrassed. Yes. Whatever those things are. And then you don’t have to put their name on it. You don’t have to worry that you’re violating their confidentiality, ask their permission, whatever that works for you.

But put 

[00:11:56] Jen Mary: the comment up. I do initials. And if [00:12:00] you change the initials also, no one will know. Yeah. I mean, you know, I, I always only use reviews that are true. I’m not gonna make ’em up for myself. But I really respect my client’s privacy. And if there’s something, absolutely. Someone wrote me a thing about how it changed her marriage because she finally wanted to leave the house with her husband again.

I am not gonna be like, whoa, that was Lori Smith. You know nobody, Smith, green 

[00:12:23] Melissa Klug: Avenue, Newport, Rhode 

[00:12:25] Jen Mary: Island. Yeah. No, . Send her a message. No, I I, you, you can change somebody’s name if you need to or just use their initials. But that is the kind of content that makes people go, oh, I want that. Oh, I like that.

It’s the lean in, it’s the amen. Those are what we’re looking for. And along with that one thing that everybody should be utilizing, and I’m not, and after we finish this, maybe I’ll go do it. , everybody should be utilizing the pinned post. Everybody. You can pin three. One should be like a, Hey, hi, I’m Jen.

Here’s all about me. You know, if you’ve got something going on, if you are promoting something, if you have, you know, a, a spring cleaning special, whatever it is, there you go. And then one of those amazing client stories. Yes. So then regardless of what you’re posting, people can always find that on your feet.

 And then, you know, if you wanna do a, a post about your spring special, go check out my pinned post for more. And you don’t have to continue to say, buy my thing, go to my website, buy my thing, buy my thing, buy my thing. . 

[00:13:26] Melissa Klug: And so what Jen is referring to is at the top you’re allowed to pin three posts to the top.

So they see something they like, they go to your grid, they will see those three pins first. Mm-hmm. , no matter what you have posted and you can do, there are people that I get really creative with those I’ve seen really beautiful ones where the grid is very cohesive, but those pin posts like make one big thing.

I I’ve seen lots of things that I like 

[00:13:51] Jen Mary: in that pin. That’s great. It’s really, so I know we don’t have time for this today, but the whole like nine grid Yeah. Thing of a, a completely static unchanging nine grid, which is basically nine pinned posts. And you can do stories, you can do reels. You don’t share ’em to your feed, but it totally tells your brand story and goes through.

It’s a, it’s a funnel. If I were starting out or if I had a local business, that’s what I would do. To me, it’s, it’s more of a set it and forget it type of, of. Way of doing Instagram. It’s so brilliant to me. And it puts social media in its proper place. What do we want it to do for you? We want it to show who you are.

We wanna show your personality. We wanna show people how they can work with you. We wanna show them why they should work with you. We want to tap into that local expert thing, 

[00:14:39] Melissa Klug: We want it to be visually interesting enough to do what you said, which is stop the scroll. We want you to use it in a way that actually helps your business versus the way that you think it might help your business, which actually 

[00:14:53] Jen Mary: doesn’t. So , I just wanna share that little, the little clip that I shared with you the other day when that over text.

So I don’t know if anyone has seen the movie Bee Movie. The, the cartoon with Jerry Seinfeld, where he’s a bee, but there is a scene where he is trapped in someone’s house and he’s trying to get out and he bumps against the window and he goes, oh, ow, what, what was that? And then he just starts going crazy.

Ramming himself against the window going this time, this time, this time, this time. And I think a lot of us feel that way about Instagram or about social media. Like this is a post that’s gonna do it. This is the one that’s gonna get traction. This is the one that’s gonna get clients this time, this time, this time.

That window is always gonna be closed to that be. Always, he’s gotta find a different way out. So when you find yourself banging your head against the Instagram wall, I just want you to remember Jerry Seinfeld in the B movie and you can go watch the clip on YouTube. It’s, it just makes me laugh. It’s seven 

[00:15:47] Melissa Klug: seconds long.

I think it’s very short. It is very easy to watch. I will link it in the show notes because it is that good. When you sent that to me the other day, I’m like, this is brilliant. And I, it, it really is just like a simple description of I’m just gonna keep [00:16:00] trying to do this thing over and over again.

It keeps not doing anything for me, but I 

[00:16:04] Jen Mary: don’t know what else to do, , what else to do. But no post, no one post is ever gonna be that viral moment. It’s just, the reality is it isn’t. And those informational how-to DIY tips I would bet a million dollars, that will never be the thing that makes you famous.

[00:16:22] Melissa Klug: I need to add another, please don’t do this. Just Oh yeah. Category of this. This one’s extremely specific, but Jen and I did, sorry, different. Jen. Jen, the founder of Pro Organizer Studio, and I did a podcast that literally was all about you don’t need before and after photos. It was an go back, I can’t remember what episode it is.

I’ll link it in the show notes. But there are some people that still really, really wanna do before and afters totally. Cool. Please do not put the before picture first, 

[00:16:48] Jen Mary: please. Oh, interesting. The after 

[00:16:51] Melissa Klug: picture first, because what happens is when you put the before picture first, I understand theoretically it makes a lot more sense to, to, you know, it’s a it’s a cause and effect.

Yeah. But what happens is when you talk about stopping the scroll, you’re not gonna stop the scroll with a picture of an room that stresses people out. 

[00:17:12] Jen Mary: Okay. So one of my tasks today, we just finished a two week closet edit cleanout, our annual closet cleanout. And I’m going to take the 10 most transformed closets.

Yeah. And do a reel out of ’em. Yeah. And you just changed that post for me, so thank you for that. I learned something new today. You’re welcome. And 

[00:17:32] Melissa Klug: I, I say this as a consumer because I will see them and I’ll be like, that is a really unattractive space. And I understand. Then you scroll to the like, ta-da, this is what it looks like.

But my immediate reaction is extremely negative. And so again on this inspiration. I wanna show you the inspiration of what a stunning closet looks like when it’s done. Yeah. And yeah, you should see what it looks like before. Boom. Here it is. Ooh. You can still remember that transformation.

[00:17:57] Jen Mary: Yeah. You can even scroll back if you needed to. Right? I mean, you can watch it again. So my question for you is, , what do you do when people don’t have like these Pinterest worthy homes? Do you know what I think a lot of people are, are hesitant to post photos? Mm-hmm. . That show how real people live. Yeah.

And I think we should all be showing how real, let’s normalize real bedrooms. 

[00:18:21] Melissa Klug: Absolutely. So it is interesting you say that I, did a post once about like, oh, you think a per a professional organizer is perfect all the time? No, this is what my kitchen looks like on Thanksgiving Day or whatever.

Yeah. I like that. I like that one. Yeah. If you do not have everything. Pinterest worthy, like you said, Instagram worthy. With the, you’re just trying to show an example, a Canva, Unsplash, you know, there are just stock photos you can use that will still make the point of what you’re trying to make.

 It’s about the story, it’s not necessarily about the picture, and you’re not purporting that that is a picture of a house that you actually organized. Okay. I’ve actually told people before that, if client confidentiality is a big deal, you know, you can just say, I don’t do, I don’t show pictures of client houses.

Yeah. Because I just don’t think that I like everyone to have their privacy. So sometimes I’ll say, I’ll show a picture of my own house, of a space that I feel, you know, compelled to share at whatever. But I sometimes you can use a stock photo and then just have a really compelling caption about what the point is that you’re trying to make about that space rather than, this is a kitchen that I did.


[00:19:24] Jen Mary: it. Question. No, that does. You know, the other thing I found a lot of times, women in my membership group will post pictures of their outfits and I really wanna share them, but, they’re not taking pictures because they’re professional photographers, so they’re really dark.

Yeah. A little Lightroom goole. A long way. Yep. A long way. So yeah, run ’em through, you know, and we’re not Photoshopping people . Right. We’re not 

[00:19:50] Melissa Klug: Exactly, it’s not, we’re not like pulling a Kendall Jenner and like , you know? Absolutely not our major Photoshop work on ourselves. But I just think that we feel like we get so caught [00:20:00] up in, I have to show, this goes back to the what you were saying about I have to show I’m an expert.

I have to show all the spaces that I have done myself. Mm-hmm. otherwise people will think that I’m not good at my job and I just, I don’t, I’ve never really done that and it’s, and I’m just talking about my own organizing business. It hasn’t hurt me. You know, I don’t have people that are like, I’m gonna need 22 before and after photos, otherwise I’m not hiring you.

Yeah. I think it’s another thing that we think we have to do it to be authentic and you 

[00:20:26] Jen Mary: actually don’t. Well, you know, when I was a one-on-one stylist, I never posted before and afters for a lot of reasons. Number one. Here’s my client. Or worst, you know? And it is actually a person. It’s not just like a space, it’s them.

The other problem was my transformations weren’t that transformational on the outside. 

[00:20:45] Melissa Klug: That’s the thing about organizing too, is sometimes those after photos aren’t like a, oh my gosh, that’s the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen. But it was absolutely life changing for that client. Yes. 

[00:20:54] Jen Mary: Yeah. I mean, I think if you’ve got something that’s really amazing, the closet transformations in two weeks that we saw in our challenge. Holy moly, I was so impressed. Yeah. But. I think the bigger thing is how they feel getting rid of 11 bags of clothes. Yeah. Being able to get all of their clothes, getting, being able to get their drawers to shut.

Like, that’s a big deal. And sometimes those things don’t show up on camera. 

[00:21:20] Melissa Klug: A lot of times they don’t. Yeah. And so that’s why, if you have something that’s really, really impressive and your client is cool with you showing it, I love it. That’s great. It’s just, again, it’s about trying to be able to capture what is that feeling that they got from that transformation.

 And also, yeah, that’s gonna be going like way, way too deep. But I also think there’s something about in styling or even in organizing, there’s a self-esteem piece of, look 

[00:21:46] Jen Mary: how awful it was. Yes, exactly. You look terrible. 

[00:21:50] Melissa Klug: Your outfits were terrible. 

[00:21:52] Jen Mary: Your house looked, you believe she left the house like that.

[00:21:54] Melissa Klug: Is not empowering. And it’s not a message that’s why I hate the phrase New Year, new you. Oh, 

[00:22:00] Jen Mary: don’t even, 

[00:22:01] Melissa Klug: mm-hmm. . Why, why? What was wrong with me before? Literally nothing. You know, like, I just think I, I wanted to improve myself, but I don’t think that also makes us, need to say it.

Whew. This was awful before. I think it’s like, to me, that’s why I don’t like doing it. Yeah. . 

[00:22:14] Jen Mary: Yeah. I think that is a really good point. Really good point. Sometimes the transformations just don’t show on camera. 

[00:22:19] Melissa Klug: Yes. I really, I said this was gonna be fast, but this, that’s fine.

This has been awesome. Thank you so much. This is how we roll. But just in general, for all of you, all we’re trying to say is nothing is all good or all bad, right? We’re not saying social media is terrible. It’s not. It’s a tool in your arsenal. It should not be the most important tool in your arsenal.

But if you are going to do it, please just think about what is the most impactful way 

[00:22:44] Jen Mary: that you can do it. Yeah. In the shortest amount of time. Yes. Spend your time doing the right things. Only do what works. Only do what matters. Yes. And don’t be the beat. 

[00:22:52] Melissa Klug: Don’t be the bee. That’s don’t be the bee that, that’s the great thing.

 To your point, way earlier, we have these opinions because we want women to be successful at their businesses. Yes. You want to create successful stylists. I want to create successful professional organizers. 

[00:23:09] Jen Mary: How many people quit? because they didn’t get traction. They didn’t get momentum, and yet they felt like they were working all the time. They were trying. They were trying. But you know, sometimes if you bang your head against the wall long enough, you realize it’s the wrong wall. Yeah, it’s the wrong wall.

And what’s so sad to me is that a woman would let her dream of having a business go, give up, go back to having a job, take time away from her family, whatever those dreams are for you, that the reason you started a business, to let those go because you were playing in a system that wasn’t designed to make you successful.

It wasn’t. So, it’s not surprising you’re not successful with it, but it can be social media. I love social media. I love it. I think it’s fantastic. We gotta be social. Are [00:24:00] you liking people’s stuff? Are you talking to your, adjacent businesses? Are you involved in your local community?

Let’s be social about it and let’s give people what they need to realize they need us, and that we have the understanding and the ability to solve their problem. Like you said, there’s a million books. Everyone has them. It wasn’t Marie Kondo’s book that made her famous and successful.

You know what? It was spark joy. It was this feeling that everything you own should spark joy. And that set off a movement of people who started looking at their things in a different way. Yes, she did not say, you should fold your clothes like this. you should touch everything. Blah, blah blah.

Yes. All that is in there. Sure. But that’s not what her message was. It was, everything you own should spark joy. And that is something that people go, yeah. Preach. 

[00:24:59] Melissa Klug: Yes. And that right there that says it all, you have got to create that spark of that 

[00:25:06] Jen Mary: feeling. Yeah. With that. And don’t compare yourself to Marie Kondo cuz everyone’s like, okay, I gotta sit here and, and come up with my own spark joy.

No you don’t. Yeah. What you need to do is talk more. Cuz when you talk, the words just come. They do. One of my business coaches has this thing. When you’re down on your business, just cast the vision. Just start talking about your business to everyone. Not trying to sell anything. Just cast the vision.

Yes. And if that doesn’t get you. Quit, right? , like, if you talk about the impact you have on people’s lives and you’re like, Ugh, I can’t, I don’t wanna do this again. Just stop doing it. But you find the words, you find your message when you just talk more. 

[00:25:42] Melissa Klug: I love it.

Is there anything that we have not covered? 

[00:25:45] Jen Mary: There’s so much we haven’t covered, but you. I think we got so much. 

[00:25:48] Melissa Klug: Jen, I, and I mean this, I kind of said it at the beginning. I get so much inspiration from Jen. I, first of all, we, she also offers a lot of things that are, services that are very helpful to people in our industry.

Like I said, we have very analogous industries, so please check her out. I love her as a human being and as a podcast content creator and just all of the things. So please go check her out. I will link everything in the show notes. So thank you so much for joining us 

[00:26:14] Jen Mary: again. Oh, thank you.

And the feeling is so mutual. It’s, it’s just a mutual admiration society. 

[00:26:20] Melissa Klug: This is a reminder to go network because if yes, we hadn’t gone to that meeting, we would not know each other. 

[00:26:27] Jen Mary: I did not wanna go. It was hot. It was like a hundred degrees and I don’t like going outside when it’s hot.

Yes. So I didn’t wanna go, but I was like, you have to go. And it was the best business decision I’ve made, when I moved to Minnesota. So yes, go to the thing. People just go, , we know 

[00:26:43] Melissa Klug: that it’s not fun, but sometimes the magic happens, you know? But there are people who actually like it.

There are, I know. I don’t know 

[00:26:50] Jen Mary: who those people, they’re weird. I don’t either. I don’t, I don’t know. If you’re one of those people I am so impressed with you. Keep 

[00:26:55] Melissa Klug: doing it. It, but just keep making those connections because you just never know. They’re magical. So 

[00:27:01] Jen Mary: thank, thank you. Thank you. Bye. 

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