213 | Burnout is real. Let's talk about it. | Dr. Camilla Moore
Are you feeling stressed out, burned out, or anything else? ..this episode is for you. I'm talking to Dr. Camilla Moore who is helping women deal better with their stress.
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Melissa Klug:
Okay, we’re going to get into it—because we could probably talk for like seven hours. Neither of us has time for that because we have many other things to do. We’re busy—
Camilla Moore:
Women.
Melissa Klug:
We’re busy. We’re busy women helping busy women. But can you give our listeners your background—how you got here and what you do?
Camilla Moore:
Sure. I’m Dr. Camilla Moore. I’m a chiropractor by trade. I sold my practice a few years ago, went to work for a big hospital organization, and started a department there.
I had always been doing mindfulness-based meditation for my own personal use, but I started to get really burned out in my job and wanted to spread my wings and see what else was out there.
That’s when I got my board certification in lifestyle medicine. One of the foundations of lifestyle medicine is stress management, and I really fell into the SMART program—Stress Management and Resiliency Training—which I teach online.
About a year ago—actually a little over a year ago—there was some reshuffling at the hospital system, and instead of going back into private practice, I decided to do this full-time. I’ve never looked back.
I teach the program online. It’s on demand because we’re talking about busy people, so it needs to be accessible. And then I work one-on-one with clients. Our focus is really on how to “burnout-proof” a business.
We work with small business owners, solopreneurs, entrepreneurs, and professional women who are struggling with work-life balance—or who want to be proactive and say, “How do we burnout-proof my business?” Because I think everyone sees the writing on the wall, but we don’t have a roadmap. That’s what we work on one-on-one, and it’s been wonderful.
Melissa Klug:
First of all, you have a very similar story to a lot of us, including me—where you hit a fork in the road and you decide, “I’m going all in on being a business owner.”
But being a business owner isn’t always easy. There are peaks and valleys—and by the way, in any job there are peaks and valleys—but it feels especially intense.
Have you seen big changes since the pandemic in people’s ability to handle things, tolerate stress, and manage life?
Camilla Moore:
It’s been interesting, because my personal experience of the pandemic was unique. I was in healthcare, and we kept our office open. I was also pregnant during the pandemic and had a pandemic baby in June of 2020.
I witnessed healthcare workers who were so stressed out, so exhausted, and so burned out—and I was going through it myself.
It’s funny you mention this—I was actually thinking about it today—how the pandemic has shaped women’s work-life balance and what that means.
A lot of women, like me, committed to working differently because we wanted flexibility: being a working parent, being the daughter of aging parents. I didn’t want to have to go into an office every day and have the business depend on me showing up that day—plus employees relying on me showing up.
There was a study earlier this year in the journal Work that looked specifically at women in middle age and why we’re so burned out. They narrowed it down to three factors.
First, women tend to be in higher-turnover professions, and our roles can be more chaotic in general.
Second, we’re the “sandwich generation”—caring for kids and also caring for parents. We’re in the middle of two generations that need caregiving and attention.
And the third factor was really interesting to see in print: economically, women have evolved to be powerful in the workplace, but societally we still have very gender-specific roles—carrying the household load, childcare, and caregiving for parents. Most of that still falls on women.
Since the pandemic, there’s been a shift toward women wanting to work from home because it’s easier. But at the same time, it doesn’t necessarily help the balance, because you’re home—there are dishes, laundry, grocery shopping. If we default to traditional roles, we end up doing all of it.
I don’t think we’re fully “out” of the pandemic effects. It still feels like the cards have been tossed up in the air. Companies don’t really know where everything fits.
You’re seeing big companies—like Amazon—mandating people back to the office. They phased it in: first hybrid, three or four days, and now more.
But women have so much power in the workforce that I think some employees will eventually do what you and I did and say, “I’m capable of building something better on my own.” And what’s the downside?
Melissa Klug:
That unseen labor—there’s a phrase for it that I’m probably missing—but that emotional home labor, the mental load… I’m obsessed with this topic.
I had someone on the podcast who’s a Fair Play deck expert, and we talked about this a lot. Almost every woman I know—even with a wonderful partner—so much of the “life stuff” ends up on the mom, the woman, the wife… whatever the label. It’s really hard to balance.
Camilla Moore:
And in heterosexual couples, with the husband going to work—part of that infrastructure is that his job has expectations of him showing up and being there.
My husband has a demanding job. And yes, I married the good guy. Ten out of ten—highly recommend. But his job still expects him to be there.
You see it even in maternity leave versus paternity leave. Paternity leave used to be wild to even talk about in certain generations. In millennial generations, it’s shifting. We have family members who both took time off.
But it’s still hard, because expectations are still rooted in traditional gender roles.
Melissa Klug:
I’m glad you said that, because I tend to think about the woman’s side—but there are also great men who face pressure around those roles.
I know a guy—pretty progressive—who complained that a coworker was taking three months of paternity leave. He was like, “I can’t believe he’s leaving that long.” And I was like… I’m glad he’s taking it, but it shows how much those gender expectations are still there.
Camilla Moore:
And women take on a lot because we’re often better at multitasking. My husband—God love him—has strengths, but we have different skill sets.
It’s easier for a lot of us to juggle, and it’s expected. And if it doesn’t get done, we’re the ones who shoulder the blame.
That’s the invisible load—the mental load women carry. And adding a child highlights everything.
Melissa Klug:
Just forget it. When there’s someone else who needs you all the time…
I explained this to my husband once. It was his dad’s birthday, and I said, “Did you get your dad a gift?” He just stared at me with this blank face.
And I said, “Do you understand that if we show up at your parents’ house without a gift, I’m the one who’s going to look bad? Not you. It’s your dad, but I’ll be judged. Your mom and your sister will talk about me behind my back.”
And he’s like, “What?” And I’m like, “Just trust me. It will happen.”
Camilla Moore:
And that connects to what we were talking about before the show: as professional organizers, you take on your clients’ load in addition to everything else.
One of the things we talk about is setting personal policies. If you have a business, you already have policies. You have financial policies. In my practice we had a no-show policy. You can’t go into a place without signing terms of service.
If we take that concept and apply it to our lives, we create more structure and make it easier to default to boundaries.
We talk about boundaries a lot, but they can be challenging. One way to make it more comfortable is to evaluate your life in terms of energy—not tasks.
We put a quantitative measure on what gives you energy and what drains you.
For example, exercise might give you energy. How much? A draining client might drain you. How much?
Getting detailed and specific about what charges you and what drains you helps you decide what policies you need—and what boundaries you need.
Melissa Klug:
I love this. Do you literally write it out? Like, do you assign numbers?
Camilla Moore:
Here’s what we do.
Take a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle. Two columns: Charges and Drains.
And here’s the key: you have to be detailed, and you have to understand that this is an observation exercise.
This is not a measure of how much you love someone. It’s not a measure of your commitment. It’s simply: “How does this make me feel?”
I have a four-year-old. I love him. I would kill for this kid. I would die for this kid. He gives me a ton of joy and energy… but he’s also four years old and can be a drain.
Does the fact that he goes on both sides make me a worse parent? No. It means I’m acknowledging where I’m giving a lot so I can understand what I need to fill myself back up.
You might find your drains list is 20 things and your charges list is five. That’s okay. If you get a huge hit from those charges, that matters.
But you have to sit with it and feel it.
And then you start to see where you might set boundaries around drains.
I had two personal policies in my first business—my chiropractic practice:
I refuse to be uncomfortable at work.
I refuse to be uncomfortable in my own home.
Those sound broad, but they gave me a framework.
If there was conflict in the office—with a patient or an employee—I would remember: I’m not going to be uncomfortable at work. I wasn’t going to stew. It forced me into solutions and gave me that jolt: deal with it now and get it off your plate.
Because you don’t want to walk into your own business and not want to be there.
Melissa Klug:
Okay, I love this. As an avoider, I can say: this is really good.
Camilla Moore:
Put it into a context that feels comfortable.
I don’t love confrontation, but I hated being uncomfortable in a place I created more than I disliked confrontation. So I worked on my communication skills—how to have crucial conversations, how to diffuse high-charge situations, and how to come together as a team.
Without that underlying policy, it would have been easy to avoid, avoid, avoid.
I also had that policy in my home. Not everyone is welcome in my home. I had a community-based practice and ran into everybody, and it wasn’t unusual to see people in your front yard.
So I set it up: my home is for my family and friends. No matter what happens outside, I come home to a safe, comfortable space.
Another policy I loved was: no work phone calls in the car.
Melissa Klug:
I’m glad you said that, because as you were talking, I thought about what we do for a living—the number of ways people can contact you—and how your work hours can feel like they never end because someone is always in your space.
So yes, I’m glad we’re talking about this.
Camilla Moore:
Especially as a small business owner, there’s this desire to be available full-time—and a fear that if you miss out on business, you won’t pay bills, and so on.
But setting that space will exponentially grow your business, because you’re concentrating your effort. And you’re carving out time for replenishment and recovery.
For me, the car is my time. I listen to podcasts or talk to my family. No work phone calls in the car.
I also see more people using email auto-messages that say something like: “I return emails on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.” And that’s it. I love that.
One thing I’ve found is: happiness in business is when reality exceeds expectations.
If you set expectations for communication with clients—and you stay within expectations that work for you—you’re winning. If you go beyond them, you’re exceeding expectations.
Personal policies protect you, but they also streamline your business by removing the questioning clutter.
Melissa Klug:
So many of us—including me—operate out of fear. Fear, FOMO, whatever you want to call it.
We think, “If I don’t work on my business 24 hours a day, it’s going to implode.” But your business might actually be better if you shut down at five o’clock, or you don’t respond to client texts at nine at night.
I had a client text me yesterday around eight at night, and she said, “I do not expect a response—I’m just sending this while I’m thinking about it.” Bless her. I will happily get back to her because she’s respectful.
But setting those boundaries—yeah, boundaries is a hot word and maybe overused—but setting parameters helps you be better at your job.
And if someone says, “I didn’t love that you didn’t respond at nine last night,” you might learn: you might not be my person.
Camilla Moore:
Exactly. And this is part of the bigger energy picture.
We hear “boundaries” and think “barrier,” and that creates resistance. But if you think, “This is how I run my business. This is how I run my life,” it becomes objective and non-negotiable.
Here’s a truth: if you focus on money in your business, it’s always going to be about money.
Melissa Klug:
Yeah.
Camilla Moore:
And you’ll never have enough. You never will.
But if you let go of that and trust your service—trust that you provide exceptional service in an exceptional way—you won’t have to worry about money.
By saying, “These are the parameters in which I work,” you create a business where people embrace that.
My dad is a physical therapist. He’s been practicing for 50-something years, and he always said: people will come to you because of you, and they won’t come to you because of you.
You can’t be all things to all people. So when you’re true to what you need and how you work, you invite in the people who want that. And you deter the people who don’t. They might try to come in, but they’ll leave quickly.
Melissa Klug:
And you don’t want those people.
I love how simple—but smart—the charges and drains idea is. It’s like a phone. We all know what drains our phone battery, and we all know how long it takes to recharge.
If you think of yourself like that phone battery, and you’re brutally honest about what charges you and what drains you, then setting those boundaries—again, if you don’t like that word, pick another—setting those parameters is how you take care of yourself and the people you serve.
Because you want to keep serving them happily.
Camilla Moore:
Yes—and you’re in this for the long haul. This is a marathon.
When people are really struggling, one of the things we do is look back for those charges.
A lot of times you’ve gotten to this point and you’ve lost so much of yourself along the way. Where you are now is unrecognizable.
We wear all these different hats, and sometimes the one that says “Camilla” or “Melissa” has gotten so tiny it doesn’t even feel like it fits anymore.
So we get to the core of who you are and what makes you tick.
We look back over the past 20 or 30 years and ask: what did you used to do that made you feel great? Something you could do forever.
Did you paint? Exercise? Read a book? What did you love doing that you’ve lost along the way?
Because those are the things that fill you up. And incorporating them back helps rebuild those charges.
But along the way, you probably lost a lot of them.
Melissa Klug:
I was going to joke—except it’s not really a joke—what if people don’t even know what those things are anymore?
That’s real. We’ve lost touch with what legitimately lit us up. You might have to dig pretty deep to remember.
Camilla Moore:
And it doesn’t mean you’ll do the exact same thing again. Because it’s easy to say, “Well, I don’t live in the mountains anymore. I can’t go hiking.”
Okay. That’s fine. But what’s the essence of it? What was the essence?
For me, it was gardening. We grew up with a certified organic farm—just for fun—and that was so much of my childhood. At the time I was like, “Ugh, weeding again. So much work.”
Melissa Klug:
Yeah.
Camilla Moore:
But as an adult, being outside in nature, growing your own food—it has such deeper meaning now. It’s something I really love… as you see the dead plant behind me.
Melissa Klug:
That’s great. I appreciate that, because as someone who does not have a green thumb…
But this is a good connection to what we do as organizers, too. As you were talking, I immediately thought of clients who have hobbies they used to love.
We’ll be going through their stuff and see knitting needles with seven inches of dust. And we ask, “Did you ever learn to knit?” And they’ll say, “Oh yeah, I used to knit all the time. I haven’t done it in years.”
That might sound like a silly example, but it’s all kinds of things—hobbies, interests, things they used to enjoy. They don’t do them anymore. And then they’re crushed by the stuff they kept.
We see those examples all around us.
Camilla Moore:
It may be that it was just a moment in time for them. But it also may be meaningful. And until you sit down and explore it, you don’t really know.
But the whole point is prevention, right?
Camilla Moore:
So we don’t want to get to that point. We want to have balance throughout our whole careers and our whole business—that’s what we’re looking for. These are the things we look at, along with all the healthy stuff: eating well, sleeping, and those types of things, which are very important.
It’s a challenge, but getting to the point where you trust what you’re doing—and you trust yourself that it’s going to be enough—matters. And then trusting that you’re going to have whatever it is you need… you’re going to get it. You’re working too hard for it not to happen. But you have to protect yourself in order to have the future.
Melissa Klug:
In the work you do—and with the people you work with—do you have kind of a hierarchy? Like, is it physical first, then emotional? Do you have a framework where you say, “These are the non-negotiables,” and then “These are the things we add after that”?
Camilla Moore:
Yeah. This goes along with my board certification in lifestyle medicine. Lifestyle medicine has six pillars of health—that’s where we start. Stress management is one of them, but the others are nutrition, exercise, sleep, limiting things like alcohol, and then connection—relationships and community.
We talk about all six because the research shows these are the things that help build us into the healthiest version of ourselves, and that supports our stress response.
And our stress response is really meant to be short-term. There are three terms people often use interchangeably, and it’s helpful to break them down: stress, chronic stress, and burnout.
Melissa Klug:
Yeah—let’s talk about it.
Camilla Moore:
Stress is a short-term response. You see the lion, you run away, and then you recover.
Or in a more modern example: you’re driving down the interstate, someone cuts you off, you white-knuckle it for a second, but they keep going, and then you calm down and you’re okay.
During that stress response, your body gets ready to go: glucose mobilizes (sugar goes to your muscles), your heart rate increases, your breathing increases, your cognition sharpens—your body is prepared.
Then the stressful experience subsides, and you recover. It might take a little time, but you can recover. It’s an event—not a situation.
Chronic stress is repeated stress. You get cut off on the drive to work, you have that stress response, and then you walk into the office and clients cancel, an employee calls out, there’s a crisis with payment… and you never have time to recover before the next wave hits.
So it compounds—over hours, days, weeks, months, and years.
This is where chronic disease really lives: not in acute stress, but when stress accumulates and we don’t have enough energy or space to recover. The body keeps trying to fight stress and recover from it, and that load becomes overwhelming.
Burnout is an environmental issue. Burnout happens when we’ve been giving far more than we’re getting back.
It speaks to whether we feel seen, heard, valued, and whether what we’re doing matters.
That’s why so many professionals leave roles when they burn out—they reach the point where they say, “What’s the point?”
When we look at symptoms of burnout—cynicism, lack of motivation, fatigue, exhaustion—it’s because you’re worn down from giving of yourself and not getting enough back.
That’s why the charges and drains exercise is so important. If you look at things in terms of energy, you can see where your risk level is.
There’s overlap between chronic stress and burnout—they often go hand in hand. But when we break them down, the way we address them is different.
For the stress side, that’s where the non-negotiables come in: exercise, nutrition, sleep—supporting the biological part of our being so we can recover.
For burnout, we’re looking at purpose: what fills you up, what drains you, and the meaning behind what you’re doing.
They work together, but we look at them separately so you can become more sustainable.
Melissa Klug:
Do you see people recover successfully from burnout? Or is it a really long… you know…
Camilla Moore:
It varies. I hit the wall.
In my case, it was COVID—there was nowhere to go. I had a newborn, I was working through COVID… and I felt it happening.
In hindsight, there’s one day I remember vividly. I was driving to work early—like 6:45—in the city when it was so quiet. I was sitting at a stoplight, and every fiber of my being wanted to turn around and go home.
I’d never had that feeling before. It was so visceral.
But I did what we’re trained to do as professionals: I put my big girl pants on, I took a breath, and I showed up.
Melissa Klug:
Sucked it up and went to work.
Camilla Moore:
But I remember feeling like a little piece of myself got lost that day. And once that started to happen, it became easier and easier for it to happen again—until one day I literally couldn’t get out of bed.
So recovery depends on how long you’ve been in it. There’s physiological recovery time—because chronic stress is usually part of it—and then there’s also the “figuring out” piece: what do I want to do? What am I going to do if this environment isn’t good for me?
That can take time.
And women tend to keep going and going and going… until they crash, or until they hit the point where they think, “I don’t even know who I am anymore. I don’t even know what I want anymore.” It becomes an emotional crossroads too.
Melissa Klug:
I think we’re doing a much better job now—over the last decade or so—talking about mental health.
People are more open to say, “I have depression. I have anxiety. I have ADHD.” We’re not as worried about saying those things anymore.
I was telling someone the other day, “Oh my gosh, I upped my Lexapro dosage.” I don’t mind saying that. These are real things.
I would take ibuprofen if I had a headache, right?
But burnout is one we may not talk about as much. People just say, “I’m tired,” or “I’m stressed.” And that chronic stuff starts to weigh on your body—and none of us are getting younger.
Camilla Moore:
No. And this is where therapy plays a huge role too.
A lot of times we’ve been going and going and going, and we haven’t understood the deep intention behind it. Working with a therapist can be really important to understand what makes us tick—for better or worse.
One of the exercises we do in the SMART program is the Root Fear Exercise.
Under every stress is a fear. Stress is protective—it’s a survival mechanism. We’ve gotten this far because we have it, and it will always be our default.
But understanding what you’re afraid of—what you’re protecting—is really important.
Sometimes it’s as simple as sitting with it. That’s where mindfulness and meditation can help, because it gives us an environment to be curious rather than judgmental. This is where self-compassion and empathy come in.
If you were never taught that as a child, or it feels foreign, then we may be starting at ground zero—and that’s where therapy can help get to the root.
All of those things go hand in hand.
Melissa Klug:
Tell us a little bit about your program. Almost everyone I work with—including me—struggles with these things, but we don’t always talk about it. So tell us what you do and how you do it.
Camilla Moore:
Gladly—thank you.
I do two main things: I teach the SMART program online, and I work one-on-one with clients. I also do workshops—online and local—and some consulting, but those two are the core.
SMART stands for Stress Management and Resiliency Training. It was developed by the Benson-Henry Mind Body Institute at Mass General and Harvard Medical School.
The reason I love it is because it’s been researched.
Traditionally it’s an eight-week cohort program. What I did was record the whole thing and put it online so you can come in where you are. If you miss a week, you jump to the next. It makes it accessible.
The videos are short—five to fifteen minutes. You can listen on your way to work.
What we teach are the fundamentals. If you don’t know where to start, this is where you start—because it teaches stress management and burnout in an evidence-based way.
With one-on-one clients, we pull from the SMART program but tailor it to the individual.
The research on SMART is pretty amazing. In a clinical trial, there was about a 40% decrease in physical symptoms—things like stress headaches and blood pressure changes—actual physiological symptoms.
And most people had about a 33% reduction in stress in just a few weeks. That’s not even the long-term effect.
When you combine that with what we know about similar programs, those improvements tend to continue increasing over time with practice.
This is a jumping-off point, and it’s all remote.
Melissa Klug:
I love that you said “evidence-based.”
We live in a world dominated by TikTok and reels, and we get these little snippets from people and assume they know what they’re talking about… but what if they don’t?
It would be like me giving medical advice. I make people’s underwear drawers prettier. I should not be giving medical advice.
I like that this is a scientifically based program—clinical data, real results.
You need to know who you’re getting information from—whether it’s me, you, or anyone else.
Camilla Moore:
And you don’t want to waste your time. We don’t have time to waste.
That’s why we’re talking about this—we’re busy.
Melissa Klug:
We’re busy.
Camilla Moore:
And we owe it to ourselves to at least be exposed to evidence-based information.
I can’t wait to see what the next generation does, because we’re just now talking about it and implementing changes.
You also mentioned neurodivergence, and that’s another important piece: sometimes struggles—especially for women—could be perimenopause. It could be hormonal.
A lot of the women I work with are 40+. And because we have such a deficit of menopause-literate doctors in the United States, many women haven’t been appropriately diagnosed or treated for menopause symptoms.
It’s a symptom-based diagnosis. And if you look at perimenopause symptoms, they can look very similar to other things: lack of motivation, cynicism, brain fog, fatigue, exhaustion, sleep issues.
Unless you see a menopause-literate doctor, get labs done, and get a treatment plan—possibly including hormone replacement therapy—you could be misdiagnosed, or you could just be miserable for no reason.
This is where social media can actually help. Some perimenopause doctors on social media—like Dr. Vonda Wright and Dr. Clare Haver—are doing amazing work for women over 40.
But you still have to get to the root cause. It’s easy to say, “I’m overwhelmed and tired,” because you’re the sandwich generation and you’re carrying so much.
But you have to identify: is it burnout, or is it hormonal change and perimenopause—or both?
And perimenopause is not fun.
Melissa Klug:
No, it’s not great. It’s not delightful.
I actually just recorded a podcast about it. I’ll probably release them around the same time, because this is the demographic of women who do this work—primarily women.
And if you’re one of the three guys I know who listens regularly—hey, how are you?
But you’re exactly right: we’re getting better about talking about mental health, and better about perimenopause and menopause. But we still haven’t been educated about it, and neither have doctors.
Now the knowledge is coming together: “Why are all these things happening?”
And the point is: there is help out there. No matter what you’re going through, there’s help available—people like you and others.
My goal in my work is to help women have sustainable businesses—not just for themselves, but because of all the people we help.
We’re in a helping profession. We need to help the people whose homes we go into every day. But to do that, we have to be okay ourselves.
Camilla Moore:
And it’s emotional.
To go into someone else’s home, to be in their space, to go through their things with them—it requires an incredible amount of trust on their part. And it’s an emotional journey.
We owe it to ourselves to be as healthy as possible going into that work so we can keep doing what we want to do.
Melissa Klug:
It’s emotional and physical. It’s a very physical job. Everything we’re talking about ties together.
Is there anything I didn’t ask you, or anything you want to make sure we cover?
Camilla Moore:
No—I love that we talked about personal policies. I love that we talked about perimenopause. And I love that we talked about what’s available to people.
This is a great time. I’ve loved every decade, and I’m loving my 40s. I feel like I’ve learned so much as an adult.
I can’t believe I’m 46. Part of me still doesn’t feel old enough to be as old as I am.
Melissa Klug:
I know exactly what you mean.
Camilla Moore:
But women in this age group are amazingly dynamic.
I was talking to my mom about menopause, and she was like, “We didn’t have any of this.”
Melissa Klug:
No, they didn’t talk about it at all.
Camilla Moore:
And now we can go after it. There’s a lot online. You can do consults online now. At least it’s there.
Melissa Klug:
I was talking to a friend the other day who’s in my age category, and we were laughing about turning 30.
When I turned 30, I was a brat—not “brat summer” cool brat… I mean, I was a jerk about it. I thought it was so old and it was all over for me.
And then somewhere in my mid-30s, I was like, “Oh my gosh, I love being in my 30s.”
And then I thought my 40s would be terrible, and instead I’m like, “No, I love being in my 40s. It’s fantastic.”
I turn 50 next year, and I’m like… heck, I think I’m going to love that too.
Camilla Moore:
Happy birthday.
Melissa Klug:
Thank you. Every decade, I feel like I can say more about what I want and what I need. We can talk openly about things we didn’t talk about before.
Embrace where you are. And I know people of all ages listen to this—but wherever you are, embrace it. Don’t be a brat when you turn 30 or 40 or any age. Just be happy.
Camilla Moore:
And we’re here. We can make this whatever we want it to be. That’s the take-home message.
Melissa Klug:
Totally. Thank you for all of this.
Where can people find you on the great wide internet? On the great wide—
Camilla Moore:
Web.
Melissa Klug:
Yes.
Camilla Moore:
You can find me on Instagram—I’m active there. I post at least once a day. My handle is @drcamillamoore—that’s D-R-C-A-M-I-L-L-A-M-O-O-R-E.
You can also find me on LinkedIn—just look up my name. That’s the easiest way to get ahold of me.
If you’re interested in anything, find me on Instagram, DM me, and we’ll have a chat.
Melissa Klug:
Perfect. We’ll put all of this in the show notes, as usual.
Just scroll down wherever you’re listening—there are voluminous notes with everything you need. Click and you’ll be right there.
Thank you for helping guide us so we can guide our clients and have better lives. I appreciate it.
Camilla Moore:
Thank you so much for having me.
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